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[ZESTCaste] Fwd: The challenge to Prakash Jha’s vision ( Sunday Guardian)

 



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Subject: The challenge to Prakash Jha's vision ( Sunday Guardian)
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The challenge to Prakash Jha's vision

Aarakshan is set to kick up great controversy upon its release this Friday. Minority groups argue Jha is biased, while he says he is an impartial observer.

SABA SIDDIQUI  7th Aug

ahi hoga, hans chugega daana ghun ka, kauwa moti khayega(the swan will pick the weevil, and the crow will eat pearl).

Prakash Jha has never been one to shy away from controversy. His latest film,Aarakshan, is no different — in fact it is almost certainly going to be his most controversial. The movie deals with one of the great dividers of modern Indian society: caste-based reservations in our colleges. The line quoted above is from the theatrical trailer that has been doing the rounds on television, and the inflammatory nature of this piece of dialogue — and many others — has not gone unnoticed.

No political party in the country has the power to reduce a single per cent of reservation, so who am I to do so? But yes, it has been 30 years since the Mandal Commission, and aarakshan is still dividing society  Prakash Jha

P.L. Punia, chairman of the National Commission for Scheduled Castes, has already called the movie an "anti-Dalit" film. "I've read about the film in newspapers, and some people came to me with complaints that the film could be prejudiced against the Dalit community," says Punia. "But my doubts were confirmed when I watched a discussion between Prakash Jha and Shiv Khera on a news channel. Jha said quite bluntly that he was against caste-based reservation in education, and that he would get rid of them if he could."

Saif Ali Khan (left) and Prateik Babbar in a still from Aarakshan

But Jha, a multiple National Award winning filmmaker, is adamant that he has never made such a statement. "I have never discussed my stand on reservation; it is impossible to be on one side on such a divisive issue. As a filmmaker, I see myself as an observer of society and its trends. I'm not here to make judgements. I have just tried to present the entirety of the facts in this film. Questions, if any, will emerge over time, in the rightful manner. My support or lack of support for reservation is irrelevant. It is here to stay and we have to adjust to it. No political party in the country has the power to reduce a single per cent of reservation, so who am I to do so? But yes, it has been 30 years since the Mandal Commission, and aarakshan is still dividing society."

Although Jha denies being against reservations, he does believe that caste-based reservation has paved the way for the commercialisation of education. "Reservation in government institutes like IIM, IIT and medical colleges has led to a decrease in the number of seats in colleges. This, in turn, has increased competition. Some saw this as an opportunity and it encouraged a parallel system of education to develop. The number of coaching centres is on the rise all over India and capitation institutes are flourishing; in fact, some of our politicians are even running their own colleges. Every year, when the cut-off percentages in colleges increase, this question comes up. The rich can go to private institutes or buy a degree, but there is no government subsidy or policy for those who are meritorious but cannot afford to go elsewhere," Jha says.

But Punia is not the sole opponent to Jha's take on this matter. Anoop Kumar, a Dalit students' activist who started the Insight India Foundation, says, "I haven't watched the film's trailers, but Jha has been making a number of irresponsible and apathetic comments in the media which I have read and heard. He recently said that casteism is because of reservation, whereas it is the other way round; reservation is because of casteism. If what Jha said is true and reservation is only limited to colleges, then why do Dalit students commit suicide, why are Dalit women raped in villages and why are Dalits harassed by upper castes?"

Kumar, who has made a series of startling, moving documentaries on Dalit student suicides in India's premier education institutions, says, "Reservation has given representation to the suppressed, an opportunity to the deprived and has broken the monopoly of casteism. But I'm sure Jha will not deal with these complexities in the film. He will only skim the surface of reservation as a topic; it will be a one-sided story and not the complete truth."

Anjum Rajabali, the film's scriptwriter, is amused by these allegations. "Those accusing the film of having an anti-Dalit or anti-anything bias haven't seen the film yet. Aarakshan has a humanist bias, it is biased towards improving education, it is biased towards being fair," he says.

he film stars Amitabh Bachchan as a college principal with strong ideals, torn between the supporters and non-supporters of reservation. Saif Ali Khan plays a Dalit in love with Deepika Padukone, who plays Bachchan's daughter. Prateik Babbar belongs to an upper-class family, while Manoj Bajpayee is the college's vice-principal, an opponent of reservation who also runs a coaching centre. Rajabali says, "The script includes a range of characters who reflect a wide spectrum of perspectives on the reservation issue."

(L-R) Prateik Babbar, Saif Ali Khan, Prakash Jha and Deepika Padukone on the sets of the film

This is not Jha's first political film; he has also made films like Rajneeti (2010), Apharan(2005) and Gangaajal (2003). Apharan is set against the backdrop of the kidnapping "industry" in Bihar, while Gangaajal, again set in Jha's home state of Bihar, examines the relationship between crime and politics.

But while the filmmaker refutes allegations of being biased in Aarakshan, this is not the first of Jha's films to attract controversy — it is a matter of record that of the villains in his films come from the marginalised communities of India, Muslims, Dalits, and other minorities. "Aarakshan has not yet released, so I cannot comment on what the film will be, but Jha does not have a great track record when it comes to dealing with SC/ST/OBC or minorities in his films," says Dilip Mandal, the author of books like Jatwar Janaganana (Caste Census), Jatiwar Janaganana Ki Chunautiyan (Caste Census and its Challenges) and Media Ka Underworld (Paid News). "The villain in Apharan was Tabrez Alam, a Muslim, whileGangaajal had Sadhu Yadav, a Scheduled Caste. Jha has deliberately taken the political combination of Lalu Prasad Yadav (Muslims and Yadavs). He tends to show Dalits and OBCs in a bad light in his political films and I wouldn't be surprised if he does it again."

"Films are a strong and influential medium. Millions, regardless of their background, watch these films, and history has seen this medium trigger political movements in Latin America and Europe. Considering the sensitivity of this issue, it could have a really harmful effect on college campuses in India, where students from SC/ST and OBC already face harassment and are looked down upon. It is important that the film is carefully reviewed by the Scheduled Caste Commission before its release," Mandal says.

But filmmaker Pankaj Butalia disagrees. "Political films cannot bring about such big changes in society, probably small changes in the long run, but they cannot suddenly change the mindset of the person watching it. If a Dalit supporter watches an anti-Dalit film, he will react, if someone who resents Dalits watches it, he will accept it. That's it. Bringing about political change through film is a slow process. If you watch certain kinds of political films for years or read a lot of political books, you will start accepting the change. But one film cannot change you."

Punia said he wanted to watch the movie before its release, but was denied permission. The Film Certification Board gave Aarakshan a Universal certificate with no cuts. "We wanted to watch the film and not come in the way of the Board. A summons has been issued to the chairman of the board; they approved it without showing it to us. We will watch the film on 8 August and if we find any derogatory scenes, we will ask for their deletion. If the whole film is objectionable, we plan to take serious action, even if it means stopping the film from being released." However, a Censor Board official, who refused to be identified, said only the Board can decide on such issues.

Despite the controversy, Jha is not worried. "Such protests have happened in the past too, sometimes after the release, but the final call is that of the Censor Board. Since they have passed the film, I am not scared."

Guardian 20 also discovered that Anjum Rajabali (the scriptwriter) is a member of the Censor Board, although he claims not to have any say in the process surrounding the film's release. "Members of the Film Certification Board have a responsibility to be sensitive. One has to be careful to ensure they are objective about the films being considered. I could have had no part in the Board's interaction with Aarakshan as I am an involved party. I distanced myself entirely when the board was reviewing Aarakshan," Rajabali clarifies.

Punia ends by saying he has no problem with Jha making films on sensitive topics. "Why doesn't he make a film on the SC/ST and OBC in Karnataka, who are not allowed into temples, or even about Tamil Nadu, where there are separate utensils for people belonging to lower castes? If he makes films on these issues, we would appreciate it more." As it stands, the much-debated film has been certified and will release on its decided date — next Friday, 12 August. Until then, this is a fire that will continue to rage.


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[ZESTCaste] Sub-Classification Of Dalits: Law And Politics

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Sub-Classification Of Dalits: Law And Politics

By Sanjay Kumar Chaudhary

16 August, 2011
Countercurrents.org

Introduction

Dalit unity is one the pre-conditions for any kind of collective
action for making democratic and just claims in order to achieve the
realization of basic human rights and dignity for the Dalits. However,
the question of justice and equitable distribution of public goods
among heterogeneous groups of Dalit has taken the ugly turn of
inter-caste/class conflicts in recent times. By and large, Dalits have
suffered immensely at the hands of Brahminical and feudal forces, but
the general practice of untouchability and discrimination exists among
them also. As per the 2001 Census, the population of Scheduled Castes
was 166 million. [1] They are officially classified into 1208 castes
as on 23.09.2008, [2] as notified by the President of India under
Article 341(1) of the Constitution of India. While very limited social
interaction takes place among the different Dalit castes, prohibitions
regarding norms of inter-dining and inter-caste marriage prevail among
them too.

Among the Dalits, a few caste groups appear to be benefitting
disproportionately from the reservation policy. This has escalated
internal conflict among Dalits in recent times, particularly in Andhra
Pradesh, Maharashtra, Punjab and Bihar. While, to some extent, the
reservation policy has been able to break the age-old dominance of the
'upper' castes in public institutions and has provided opportunities
to some section of Dalits to advance, it has now entered into a new
phase that tends to create micro-identity-based demands and politics.
Very conflicting justifications are being marshalled by different
interest groups among Dalits who are contending with each other for
the benefits of the reservation policy. This article seeks to explore
some aspects of ongoing debates among Dalits about the need for
sub-classification of Scheduled Castes in the light of complaints of
particular Dalit castes who feel that other castes have benefitted
disproportionately from the reservation policy. It also critically
looks at the Supreme Court judgment, delivered in 2004, with regard to
the legality and constitutionality of the sub-classification of
Scheduled Castes.

Scheduled Castes in the Constitutional Scheme

While the Constitution refers to Scheduled Castes in the context of
reservations in education [3] , employment [4] and political
institutions [5] etc, it does not define the term 'Scheduled Castes'.
However, Article 341 empowers the President to recognize caste, races
or tribes etc. for the purposes of the Constitution to be deemed to be
Scheduled Castes in relation to particular states and union
territories. Further, the power to include in or exclude any caste,
race or tribes etc. from the Presidential list has been given to the
Parliament. The Article reads as follows:

341. (1) The President may with respect to any State or Union
territory, and where it is a State, after consultation with the
Governor 5 thereof, by public notification 1 , specify the castes,
races or tribes or parts of or groups within castes, races or tribes
which shall for the purposes of this Constitution be deemed to be
Scheduled Castes in relation to that State or Union territory, as the
case may be.

(2) Parliament may by law include in or exclude from the list of
Scheduled Castes specified in a notification issued under clause (1)
any caste, race or tribe or part of or group within any caste, race or
tribe, but save as aforesaid a notification issued under the said
clause shall not be varied by any subsequent notification.

Discontented with the existing reservation policy, which treats
Scheduled Castes as a single class and homogenous category, many
communities among Dalits who argue that they have hardly benefitted
from the reservation policy have raised the demand for
sub-classification of Scheduled Castes and are demanding a
proportionate share in the benefits of the policy. Conflicts between
Mahars and Matangs in Maharastra, Malas and Madigas in Andhra Pradesh,
Chamars and Bhangis in Punjab and Dalits and Mahadalits in Bihar have
recently received political and academic attention. Some policies have
been devised in state of Andhra Pradesh, Punjab and Haryana for more
equitable development of the most vulnerable castes among the Dalits.
In Bihar, the Mahadalit Commission [6] was constituted by the Nitish
Kumar Government in 2007 to identify the castes within the Scheduled
Castes who lag behind in the development process and to study their
educational and social status and suggest measures for their
educational and social empowerment [7] . Although such kind of
political maneuvering and social engineering by Nitish Kumar has
yielded political dividends to the ruling party, it was opposed by
dominant Dalit leaders, like Ramvilas Paswan and Meira Kumar [8] . The
National Commission for Scheduled Castes has also expressed its
differences on the matter, and went to declare the Mahadalit
Commission as unconstitutional [9] .

In Andhra Pradesh, in order to receive a fair share in the benefits of
the reservation policy, the Madiga community, which is single largest
group among the Scheduled Castes in Andhra Pradesh, launched a
movement for sub-categorisation. They demanded for separate
reservation in proportion to their population. It was unjustly opposed
by members of Mala caste. Against this background, the State of Andhra
Pradesh appointed a Commission, headed by Justice Ramachandra Raju, to
identify the groups amongst the Scheduled Castes found in the list
prepared under Article 341 of the Constitution who had failed to
secure the benefits of the reservation policy provided for Scheduled
Castes in the state in admission to professional colleges and
appointment to State services. Based on the Justice Ramachandra Raju
report, the Andhra Pradesh government, headed by Chandrababu Naidu,
passed an ordinance and then enacted the Andhra Pradesh Scheduled
Castes (Rationalization of Reservation) Act, 2000, which classified 57
Scheduled Castes into four sub-groups and split the 15% reservation
quota for admission in educational institutions and government jobs in
proportion to their population: Rellis and Adi Andhra 1% each; Malas
6%; and Madigas 7%. This first ever legislation which recognized the
separate interests of various caste groups among Dalits was challenged
before the High Court of Andhra Pradesh and later an appeal was made
before the Supreme Court.

2004 Supreme Court Judgment

One of the most politically charged, socially and legally complex
issues pertaining to the reservation policy and sub-classification of
Dalits came up in the case of E.V. Chinnaiah Vs. State of Andhra
Pradesh and Ors [10] which was decided by the Constitution bench of
the Supreme Court of India in 2004. While the judgment based its
reasoning on the positivist school of jurisprudence, it added
significant dimensions in the ever-evolving jurisprudence on
affirmative action in India. It laid down the law with regard to
legality of providing reservations within reservation on the basis of
sub-categorisation of Dalits.

The validity of Andhra Pradesh Scheduled Castes (Rationalization of
Reservation ) Act, 2000 was upheld by a five Judge Bench of the High
Court of Andhra Pradesh. Hence, it was appealed before the Supreme
Court. Three concurrent judgments were written by Justice Hegde, Sinha
and Sema. The Act, 2000 was held as unconstitutional. There were three
moot questions for consideration in this case:

1. Whether the impugned Reservation Act, 2000 is violative of Article
341(2) of the Constitution of India.

2. Whether the impugned enactment is constitutionally invalid for lack
of legislative competence.

3. Whether the impugned enactment creates sub-classification or micro
classification of Scheduled Castes so as to violate Article 14 of the
Constitution of India.

Relying on the judgment in State of Kerala Vs N.M.Thomas and Ors [11]
, the Court reasoned that by virtue of Article 341 and Presidential
notification, the Scheduled Castes constitute a homogenous class by
themselves and, therefore, ' any executive action or legislative
enactment which interferes, re-groups or re- classifies the various
caste found in the Presidential List will be violative of scheme of
the Constitution and of Article 341 of the Constitution'.

The substantive provision of the Act, 2000, provided under section 3
for the creation of 4 groups out of the castes enumerated in the
Presidential list for the State. After the re-grouping, it provides
for the proportionate allotment of reservations already made in favour
of Scheduled Castes amongst these groups. This provision was also
questioned by the appellants. Answering in the negative on the
constitutionality of legislative competence, the Apex Court relied on
the principle of pith and substance. Further, it held that the primary
object of the impugned enactment was to create groups of sub-castes in
the list of Scheduled Castes applicable to the State. It observed:

"Apportionment of the reservation is only secondary and consequential.
Whatever may be the object of this sub-classification and
apportionment of the reservation, we think the State cannot claim
legislative power to make a law dividing the Scheduled caste List of
the State by tracing its legislative competence to Entry 41 of List II
or Entry 25 of List III. Therefore, we are of the opinion that in pith
and substance the enactment is not a law governing the field of
education or public services but to create sub-classification of
scheduled caste which is not permitted under the constitution" [12] .

Lastly, the Court considered issues of sub-classification of the
Presidential list of Scheduled Castes and tested it against Article 14
of the Constitution. Again answering in the negative, the Supreme
Court held that sub-classification of the Scheduled Caste list
violated article 14 of the Constitution. It held that the impugned
legislation was beyond the legislative competence of the State, and
hence liable to declared as ultra vires the Constitution. [13] It
observed:

"Classification must be truly founded on substantial differences which
distinguish persons grouped together from those left out of the group
and such differential attributes must bear a just and rational
relation to the object sought to be achieved…mini-classifications
based on micro- distinctions are false to our egalitarian faith and
only substantial and straightforward classifications plainly promoting
relevant goals can have constitutional validity. To overdo
classification is to undo equality [14] .

However, senior advocate K.K. Venugopal, appearing for the State,
argued that Article 341 only empowers the President to specify the
castes in the Presidential List and the Parliament to include or
exclude from the specified list any caste or tribe, and that beyond
that no further legislative or executive power is vested with the
Union of India or the Parliament to decide to what extent the caste
included in the list should be given the benefits of the reservation
policy. It depended upon their degree of backwardness. It was, he
contended, a just, fair and equitable arrangement in the light of the
backwardness of the majority of Scheduled Caste groups of Andhra
Pradesh. It was further argued that there is an obligation on the
State under Article 16(4) to identify groups of backward class of
citizens which, in the opinion of the State, are not adequately
represented in the State services and to arrange for reservation s in
their favour for such appointments. Further, under Article 15(4) of
the Constitution there is an obligation on the State to make special
provisions for the advancement of SCs/STs. Hence, it was argued, what
the State had sought to do under the impugned Act was only to make
such a provisions so as to fulfill its Constitutional obligations in
this regard after due enquiry. Consequently, the allegation of
violation of Article 14 could not be sustained [15] .

K. Balgopal, a prominent scholar and social activist, criticized the
judgment and the reasoning informing it. He argued that it ignored
social reality. It was, he argued, a wrong judgment at a disastrously
wrong moment [16] . According to him, the judgment was based on a
pedantic and narrow interpretation of the Constitutional provisions.
The rationale of the judgment went against the principles of
reservation, although the victorious sections among the Dalits were
unable to see this point, which he felt was tragic. [17] He stated:

"…interpretation of the constitution is different from interpretation
of ordinary law, and the Constitution must be interpreted liberally,
broadly, and in a manner suitable for the changing times and social
needs" [18] .

Balgopal also pointed out that while the Constitution provides
reservations to the Scheduled Castes as a whole, only some castes,
and, among them, only a relatively small number of families, have
benefitted from the policy. [19] Hence, he supported the demand for
sub-classification of Scheduled Castes in order to democratize access
to the benefits of the policy.

Conclusion

Only a few lakh Dalits have, over the years, actually benefitted from
the reservation policy, while and millions of others have been left
out, leading lives of harrowing exploitation and poverty. [20] It can
be said that the purpose of reservations has never been to eradicate
the plight or poverty of Dalits or even to provide due representation
to all sections of the various Dalit communities. In fact,
reservations have served as a safety valve for the ruling
castes/classes. Such a kind of bourgeoisie arrangement tends to
puncture any revolutionary stirrings which could threaten the hegemony
of the ruling castes/classes. Sanskritisation of Dalits and the
co-option of educated Dalits into the system, promoted by the
reservation policy, clearly indicate this. The misappropriation of the
benefits of reservations by just a few in the name of all Dalits
violates the Constitutional goal of achieving social and economic
justice and a just social order. For the time being, the Supreme Court
judgment has suppressed the growing aspirations of the most excluded
castes among Dalits across the country.

Ensuring Dalit unity is impossible through the lip-service of Dalit
elites. The reservation policy has created a class of petty
bourgeoisie of Dalits. Though they may suffer from the stigma of
untouchability and caste discrimination, their interests lie with the
dominant castes/classes. With neo-liberalism the dominant ideology of
the ruling castes/classes, the public sector is fast being privatized.
In this situation, the reservation policy has very limited for Dalits.
In this scenario, it is very likely that in the near future issues
such as of sub-classification as well as the exclusion of the
Dalit-creamy-layer from the purview of reservations will be raised by
other Dalits who feel that the system has provided them with nothing
at all but relentless pauperization. Their anger will be justified,
for the middle-class Dalits are hugely shortsighted, selfish and
reluctant to share and care for their fellow brethren voluntarily, as
their opposition to sub-classification of the Scheduled Castes
illustrates. Dalit politics and movements are so divided that they
hardly offer any resistance to the ongoing process of exclusion and
exploitation of Dalits.

In this regard, the Dalit working class has to re-orient its struggle
on class lines for the emancipation of all oppressed and exploited
people of this country. If Dalits fail to evolve a consensus on the
reservation policy and sub-classification, their internal caste/class
rifts will be bound to widen. In this scenario, the common cause of
Dalit unity and social justice will be the first causality.

Sanjay Kumar Chaudhary is Assistant Professor, Centre for the Study of
Social Exclusion and inclusive Policy, National law School of India
University, Bangalore)

[1] http://www.censusindia.gov.in/Census_Data_2001/India_at_Glance/scst.aspx

[2] http://socialjustice.nic.in/sectorsc239.php(viewed on 04/08/2011)

[3] Article 15(4)

[4] Article 16(4),(4A),(4B)

[5] Article 243(D),243(T), 330, 332

[6] See, Mahadalit Commission Report , Government of Bihar, Patna, 2009

[7] See, http://www.mahadalitmission.org/BMVM-Introduction.php (viewed
on 01/08/2011)

[8] Zeenews, April 9,2010. Available on
http://zeenews.india.com/news/state-news/paswan-for-disbanding-mahadalit-commission-in-bihar_617781.html
(viewed on 01/08/2011)

[9] See, Sarita Yadav, Whither Maha Dalit Commission?, (Available on
http://www.igovernment.in/site/Whither-Maha-Dalit-Commission/(viewd on
01/08/2011)

[10] AIR 2005 SC 162, MANU/SC/0960/2004

[11] (1976)ILLJ376SC; MANU/SC/0479/1975

[12] Supra note 9 at Para 43

[13] Supra note 9 Para 14

[14] Supra note 9 Para 111

[15] Supra note 9 Para 10

[16] See, K. Balgopal, "Justice for Dalits among Dalits: All the
Ghosts Resurface", in Yagati Chinna Rao(ed.), Dividing Dalits , Rawat
Publications, Jaipur, 2009.

[17] Ibid , 253

[18] Ibid, 249

[19] Ibid , p. 257

[20] Report of an Expert Group on Development Challenges in
Extremist-Affected Areas , Planning Commission of India, New Delhi,
2008; Annual Report , National Commission for Scheduled Castes, New
Delhi, 2004; Sukhdeo Thorat, Dalits in India , Sage, New Delhi, 2009.


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[ZESTCaste] What caste do you think the Financial Times is?

http://kafila.org/2011/08/13/what-caste-do-you-think-the-financial-times-is/

What caste do you think the Financial Times is?
August 13, 2011
by Sunalini Kumar

See update below.
So… I get a phone call yesterday. It's a reporter from the Financial
Times who wants to know what I feel about the recent ban on the movie
Aarakshan in certain states, and also what do I feel about caste-based
reservations in general, whether caste is still relevant in the India
of today, the theory that quotas just increase inequality etc.. I tell
her I haven't seen the movie, and if she still wants to know what I
feel about caste-based reservations we could talk for a bit. She says
she absolutely wants to know. So I say fine, and we have a 45-minute
conversation. Allow me to reproduce a very simplified version of that
conversation (in Q&A forrmat):

1. Q: Do you believe movies like Aarakshan can be provocative or
controversial; as in, are certain groups justified in taking offence
and asking for a ban?
A: I think there is no straightforward relationship between a cultural
product (a film or play or book) and its capacity to offend public
sensibility or a particular community. There are instances where very
'provocative' or 'bold' topics have been dealt with in a cultural
product and passed silently into the night; and on the other hand
there have been instances where a seemingly 'mild' or heavily academic
(as opposed to racy, provocative bestseller or box-office hit) product
has been protested vociferously. I think groups certainly have a right
to protest but in India we tend to have a political culture in which
such protests either suddenly erupt on the streets or end up in
litigation. Neither route helps us as a society to publicly debate the
issue, which is critical if we are to get anywhere with it. Having
said that, I'm opposed to censorship in general, whether self-imposed,
state-imposed or group-imposed.

2. BUT, do caste-based groups have a right to ask for a ban?
A: Well, let's remember not only caste-based groups, but all kinds of
groups, interests and individuals have asked for a ban or punitive
action, from religious communities to individual entrepreneurs like
Arindam Chaudhuri who has filed a defamation suit against Caravan
magazine for an article (apparently it's offence was that it was
truthful). And of course, let's not forget the curious case of
coca-cola and mercedes asking for their brand logos to be removed from
visibility in the movie Slumdog Millionaire since they were associated
with the villain. Oh, and if all else fails, an individual or business
house can simply make the product vanish from the shelves overnight –
the curiouser case of the biography of Dhirubhai Ambani – Polyester
Prince. Blinked and missed it!

3. What do you feel about quotas and reservations? Are they justified?
I mean, is caste still relevant today?
A: Caste and rampant casteism is utterly and absolutely prevalent in
the India of today. Let's not even go into rural areas or pick up
crime statistics against dalits and untouchables, shocking and
conclusive as they are (I think the phrase 'atrocity against Dalits
has become so common that it ceases to even shock). Let's look for
something closer to home: for instance, comments on hundreds of blogs
and websites where upper-caste commentators make absolutely no effort
to hide their caste, and use the most offensive language when
referring to dalits and untouchable castes. Or for instance a fact
that should disturb all of us: over 95% of all sweepers, cleaners,
sewage workers and sanitation workers are from the formerly scheduled
or untouchable castes. On the other hand, one survey showed that
around the same number – 96% – is the proportion of upper-castes in
the media. Something in that ball park goes for all the lucrative
and/or prestigious professions in this country. In the private sector,
if an untouchable caste member finds employment in a non-menial
capacity, she or he faces severe problems in upward mobility because
HR managers look for traits that are a product of public school
education – again, a preserve of the upper-castes. In fact, almost
everything we recognise as 'merit' is nurtured by a positive family
environment and good schooling – often a luxury or impossibility for
those from the 'reserved' castes.

So what is this if not the resilience of caste? Access to all the
facilities for a good life, for a decent human existence is
overwhelmingly skewed in favour of the upper castes in India. So
unless we are serious about actually universalising life-chances
(would require at the very least a budget similar to our nuclear
programme just to universalise primary education) let's not talk about
removing quotas.

4. So you're saying it's really like a cycle of disadvantage that
needs to be broken (here I say, absolutely, we need to intervene in
the situation, as many societies have). What about the suggestion that
it should be class and not caste-based?

A: A long time ago, I too thought this was the perfect solution. Until
I saw documentaries and testimonies of dalits and untouchable castes,
until I met enough members of historically disadvantaged castes to
understand that caste is not just a simple lack of money and access.
It is a lifelong feeling of being thought as 'lesser' in some way –
less pure (by blood or habit), less qualified, less competent, less
moral, less Hindu/Muslim/Sikh/Christian, less entitled, less hygienic,
less attractive, less intelligent, less enterprising, less
trustworthy. In a word, less HUMAN. For a dalit person , who stands at
the end of a long chain of ancestral humiliation, to be told caste is
simply an economic disadvantage is a slap in the face.

5. But will quotas solve that?
A: Of course not. But they will provide a foot in the door. Without
quotas, the marginalised of this country lose even that.

6. What about the creamy layer argument?
A: Hmm, the creamy layer argument!! The way I see it, which resource
in this country isn't grabbed by the creamy layer? Every single avenue
or mobility in our intensely, desperately competitive society is in
the hands of the creamy layer, and here I mean those within the upper
castes. We just feel offended if that creamy layer is within a
reserved category. Actually, even a creamy layer individual grabbing a
reserved seat is better than not having reservation. We should be
confronted with the discomfort that our prejudice generates when we
see real diversity in the educational institute or workplace. And a
person from even the creamy layer of quotas will serve that purpose
well (because as I said, caste simply isn't economic, it's social and
historic humiliation). If there can be a better system that really
distributes access across different strata within the marginalised
castes, let's find it. But let's not use the creamy layer argument as
an alibi to cover our horror of reservation.
7. Outlook recently had a story which profiled dalit entrepreneurs…

A: A handful of dalit entrepreneurs (or even a thousand) doth not an
equal society make. There are 165 million dalits in this country, and
if outlook can cover the success stories in one issue, it should give
us pause to think. In any case, quotas are for a very small proportion
of jobs, only those in the public sector. Plus, our clever authorities
keep finding ways to subvert those seats too. (If you have space, I
want this to be in your article) for example, Delhi University's
recent move to convert to the semester system (in the face of
overwhelming resistance from teachers and many students) has a
lesser-known side-effect. It will actually make it harder for any
student with an educational disadvantage (Hindi medium students, those
with a rural background or government school) to pass, because the
annual mode of examination allows teachers to pay a little extra
attention to those students who need it. No wonder almost all Hindi
medium students at the masters level which follows semester-mode have
failed in recent years. Sorry, no foot in door.

At this point, the reporter says, thanks ma'am for your time. What is
your designation etc.? I say can you please send me the exact quotes
that will be in the article, because I've had a not-great experience
with newspapers. She says sure, can you check your mail in half an
hour and reply immediately? So I put aside my tasks and do so. I
correct or clarify what she sends me and tell her great, look forward
to reading the article. I now give you the link to the article, where
not only are there charming factual errors regarding my gender and
job, but disturbingly, my arguments have been used to make it seem
like I am opposed to reservations!! Before you click on the link I
just want to say that I am doing this exercise not just because of how
important this issue is, but because it's really a simple, telling
instance of how the big media works. I truly don't believe it's the
reporter's fault personally, because she is probably working under
impossible deadlines and demands. But what in the machine of big media
must allow the churning and spitting out of such utter
mis-representation? Mine is by no means a unique or even serious
instance. I know several Kafila colleagues have stopped talking to
newspapers or television channels because of countless such instances.
Why should we believe anything in the big media then?

Screenshot of FT piece:
http://kafilabackup.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/picture-1.png?w=480&h=212

Please don't miss the offensive title of the piece.
Screenshot of FT piece:
http://kafilabackup.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/picture-2.png?w=470&h=119


Is FT trying to be cute? Or clever? Oh, both.
Update: Both correspondents have recently assured me they take the
matter very seriously, and that they have further changed the online
version. I would like to put on record I appreciate this very much,
but that I remain dissatisfied with the final version. I guess this
tells us more about the machinery of news and a generalised climate of
anti-reservation sentiment among the media than it does about
individual intentions. Their version now:

Screenshot of FT piece:
http://kafilabackup.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/picture-7.png?w=471&h=186

The FT piece: http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/31089468-c4e6-11e0-9c4d-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1Uz4jORSt


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Tuesday, August 16, 2011

[ZESTCaste] Re: [ambedkarscholarship] My interview in Firstpost.com

 

congratulations benjamin:0 we had actually reposted the interview on the roundtable a couple of days ago: http://roundtableindia.co.in/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3524:lagaan-did-not-impress-me-it-was-a-stereotype-dalit-leader-in-us&catid=61:opinion&Itemid=56


my best wishes and regards, kuffir.

On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 4:57 AM, Benjamin Kaila <benjamin_kaila@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

 
Dear friends,
Here is the interview that came in an online magazine firstpost.com. A week ago I got an email requesting for an interview and I responded. I was told that its editor gave my details and asked the journalist to interview me.
 
The interview went more than one and half hours, touching various issues related to my background, childhood, Ambedkar Scholarships, Dr Ambedkar, reservations, comparison between reservations and affirmative action, discrimination in society and educational institutions, laws in India against discrimination, Dalit student suicides, movies and their portrayal of Dalits and many more issues.
 
 
Here is the journalist's version of what I said and published:

Lagaan did not impress me, it was a stereotype: Dalit leader in US

Benjamin P. Kaila, a Christian Dalit, grew up in poverty in a village near Tenali in Andhra Pradesh. Now a software professional in Southern California, he rallies donors across the world to support the Dalit community in five Indian states.  Since 2003 his non-profit Friends for Education International has distributed more than $120,000 in the form of microloans, scholarships and aid to victims of violence.  On 20 August, it will celebrate the eighth anniversary of its Ambedkar Scholarship for Dalit children and give out another $20,000.
As Aarakshan opens in India amidst controversy about its subject matter, Kaila who has lived in the US since 1999 discusses his view on reservation, US-style affirmative action and whether movies can bring social change.
Your foundation started with scholarships for Dalit children. How did that start?
School children waiting for their midday meal. Reuters
I am a Dalit and I grew up in a small village. I lived all my life poor. I experienced a lot of discrimination in school, workplace, and in society. I was doubly discriminated because I am Christian and Dalit.
I have a belief that only education can bring us from that limbo, the state we are in as Dalits. Because my parents were teachers, they gave me a good foundation at an early age. But very few people in my community could aspire to do anything; most were illiterate. Only a few people can afford private education, the rich people. After I graduated from college, I could still not speak a single sentence in English.
But I came to learn about Dr. B. R. Ambedkar. I got inspired a lot by him. I started studying about society. That is how I improved my English, by reading books, and by listening to the radio. After reading Dr. Ambedkar, I wanted to start a school in my native place for Dalit children. I came to the US in 1999 on a H-1B visa, and sitting in the US, it is easier for me to monitor a smaller thing versus a school. So in 2003, I started two scholarships in the name of my mother and father, one for a girl and one for a boy. I distributed Rs 5,000, a big amount for Dalit students.
After coming to the US, I interacted with Dalits outside of India online, and I became one of the vocal people in those groups. In an email, I said, "I want to do this." People started coming to me saying, "We will help you." Slowly, it started, and now we are giving away every year about 10 lakhs.
Did you face discrimination when you were living in India?
At the age of 10, I experienced a very bad incident. My father was my first teacher and when I was at his school, a school inspector came to my school and he was a so-called upper-caste man. For some reason, I touched him. I don't know how, but I touched him. He took a cane from my father and in front of him, he beat me like an animal. But my father couldn't open his mouth because he would lose his job. That is when I came to know we were untouchables.
In school, I was not the top-most student but I was one of the best students in the class.  But some teachers discouraged me from coming to school. When I worked in Hyderabad, I was a programmer, a respectable position, but it was very difficult for me to get accommodation if I said my caste.
In the university, we all look the same, but you are recognised by your surname or your religion. In Andhra Pradesh, most Dalits are Christian so if you say you are Christian, they will say, "He is a Dalit," and they will start doing their nonsense.
What do you think of reservation?
India has beautiful laws on the books but they are never implemented. Ambedkar helped write the constitution; he helped enact so many laws that are anti-discriminatory. But still, because the people who are ruling the country don't want to discourage discrimination, they have never been implemented properly. If the Indian government and Indian leaders implemented the already-enacted laws, these problems will be (solved) easily, but that is not happening.
How does American affirmative action compare to reservation?
The difference is that American affirmative action is not in the Constitution. In India, Ambedkar put it in the constitution because he knew that the high-caste people don't want these people to come up. So he instituted reservation. The problem is, who is implementing them?
I am a Dalit Christian. If I were a good student and I wanted to go to an engineering college, I could not go because reservation is only for Hindu Dalits. But in our area, Hindu Dalits are labourers and cannot get to college. When I applied for college, I could not get that seat, but there were no other people from my community to apply. So what happened? Those seats are given back.
Reservation has not been implemented properly so far. They have not been implemented in the way that Ambedkar imagined, when he enshrined them in the Constitution for 10 years. What he expected was that within 10 years, leaders would see to it that Dalits received education, discrimination would be gone, and we would be on par with others and there would be no more need for reservation. What the current leaders are doing is they are not implementing them in the proper way but they are extending them forever.
What policy reforms do you suggest?
Benjamin Kaila on his visit to India. Photo from the Friends for Education International website.
A lot of things can be done. Right now, there are two types of education: private and government. If you are poor, you go to a government school and afterward, you can't read or write to standard. What I say is give them equal opportunity. Provide hostel facilities where they can live and study, and financial aid to people who are from below the poverty line, so that there are incentives for parents to send their children to school instead of going to earn money. These are resource intensive, but still, if the government wants to, there are so many things it can do. Who would ask for reservation if we were all given an equal education?
Do you think reservation should end?
I don't want to be called a reservationist. I don't want to beg anyone for a seat. Reservation should go, but before it goes, they should be implemented properly and after a certain time, you can eliminate them. But if reservation goes now, they will have to go back to the fields and to beg because that is all there is.
What do you think of the critiques that reservations are unfair because society should be based on merit?
Merit can only happen between equals. If a person doesn't have food and has to go to the field to feed its family, and goes to school only for the midday meal, you cannot compare that person with another person who has everything, who can go to school and to college. You have to give both of them equal opportunities, and then you can talk about merit.
Do you support reservation in the private sector in India?
Because, in India they don't give us any other opportunity, we are looking for reservation; it is the only way a few people can come up in life. After liberalization, government jobs are eroding. There is only reservation for government jobs, but there are no jobs, so what is the use of reservation? Especially the Manmohan Singh government is selling the public sector to the private sector, and there is no other way for us than to ask for reservation in the private sector.
A critique of US affirmative action is that it sometimes benefits those who don't need the help the most. Do you think the same is happening in India with reservation?
Yes. Reservation is being used by the top-level of people. That is not correct. Once you come up in life and you are a managing director or an IAS officer and your children are going for reservation,  that is not good. It is limiting the people who really require reservation.
There are a few seats reserved for Dalits, and most Dalits are illiterate. If you take, for example, some of these fields like the financial sector or journalism, you don't see a single Dalit. So whoever is attempting to enter into these positions are the children of top-level Dalit executives. In India it is called the creamy layer. But if we eliminate the creamy layer, what happens is all of those seats go vacant and they are converted back to a general category. It's a very confusing thing. So what I say is, there should be a balance. The creamy layer should get the seat in certain situations, but if you are from the creamy layer, and there is someone below you, then they should be given preference.
Is there caste-based discrimination within the Indian-American community?
Caste is luggage we always carry. Some people feel proud that they are of the same caste. Some feel inferior, like Dalits here, we try to hide our caste. Once it's exposed, we can be discriminated against among other Indians. Don't misunderstand me—there are good people here, and all are not like that. As we have the second generation and third generation here, they will be more tolerant.
Do you think films like "Aarakshan," which touches on the issues we've been talking about, will help spark more dialogue?
Everybody goes to the movie theater. If social things are projected in a proper perspective, there will definitely be a lot of change. But again, filmmakers, who are they? They are from the upper-caste communities, therefore they show whatever they want, according to their ideologies. In some movies, Dalits are ridiculed. "Lagaan," which competed for an Oscar, did not impress me. It was a stereotype of Dalits. There may be a different person, a progressive person who will take it in a different way but so far, I have never seen Dalits projected in a positive way. But if you have good intentions, and want real change, movies are one of the best mediums to get to the masses.
Correction: A previous version of this article misstated the state in which Kaila attended university. It is Andhra Pradesh, not Uttar Pradesh. Firstpost regrets the error.
 
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An educated man without character and humility was more dangerous than a beast. If his education was detrimental to the welfare of poor, he was a curse to society.
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